Self-Determination Pt. 2 with Rosebud Bear Schneider

Episode 10 March 28, 2022 00:39:42
Self-Determination Pt. 2 with Rosebud Bear Schneider
Spirit Plate
Self-Determination Pt. 2 with Rosebud Bear Schneider

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Over the course of this season, our guests have helped us understand the history of disruption and provided essential context for why the Indigenous food movement is necessary. In this last episode for season 1, we talk with Anishinaabe farmer and food producer Rosebud Bear Schneider about the joys and challenges of revitalizing cultural foodways in the present day. Rosebud gives us a glimpse into what food sovereignty work looks like in a contemporary, urban context-- how people are practicing place-based foodways in the City of Detroit, the challenges related to this, and what gives her strength to continue this intergenerational work.

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Speaker 0 00:00:00 Hey everyone. I'm Jesse Sparks host of the new podcast. The one recipe from the team behind the splinted table. This pod is all about that one recipe that you lean on. The one you share with friends, the one you make, when you need a little love. And the one, you know, will work every single time. Every week. I talk with chefs and gifted cooks from all over the world about their one and the story behind it. We're here to help you build your kitchen library. One dish at a time, follow the one recipe, wherever you get your podcast. Speaker 1 00:00:29 Have you ever wondered why rotisserie chicken is so cheap or whether eating a plant based burger can really help fight climate change? Or how about what labels to look for? To know which food is the healthiest or the best for the environment. If those questions intrigue, you try the new podcast. What you're eating from food Speaker 1 00:00:52 They connect the story behind your food, to what you eat every day. What you're eating helps you understand how food gets to your plate to see the full impact of the food system on animals, planet, and people from conversations with farmers and chefs, to discussions with policy experts on the barriers to sustainability food prints, new podcast covers everything from the why to the how join host Jerusha clipper director of food, every other week for new episodes and more answers to the question you have about what you're eating, listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcast or at food you're eating. Speaker 3 00:01:37 My name is Shiloh Maples. I'm turtle clan. I'm a ish NABE. I'm a citizen of the little river band of Ottawa. I also belong to the Ojibwe people, Swan Creek and black river. I'm speaking to you for my Homeland here in the great lakes. Welcome to spirit plate Speaker 3 00:02:04 In this space. We'll talk about indigenous food bay as means of resistance, resilience, and revitalization. Within this growing indigenous food movement. There is an incredible story of reclamation and inner tribal solidarity, powerful yet untold examples of native people's resisting and thriving. The stories of our food ways are one of the greatest testaments of indigenous brilliance and our beauty of spirit throughout season one, I have spoken to seed keepers, farmers, historians, and community members. They have helped us understand the history of disruption that makes us work necessary today. I'm speaking with one of my dearest friends, Rosebud bear, Schneider bay, farmer, food producer, and community organizer about the joys and challenges of revitalizing cultural food ways in the urban environment of the present day. So thank you for joining me today, Rosebud. Speaker 4 00:03:02 Yeah. Thank you. Speaker 3 00:03:03 Before we start chatting, could you please introduce yourself any way? You'd like Speaker 4 00:03:08 Sure. An and so my name is Rosebud bear Schneider. It's my English name. I'm bear clan. I'm originally from Detroit and I'm in <inaudible>. Speaker 3 00:03:25 Thank you. Yeah. So as you said, you were born and raised in Detroit. Your family has a long history of activism and serving the community. That's also where we met and became involved in the indigenous food sovereignty movement together. I was wondering if you could start off talking a little bit about what was it like growing up as a native person in Detroit? Speaker 4 00:03:49 Well, that's such a good question. <laugh> I feel like this has been coming back lately. So I have only known Detroit as my community. That's been my home. I've been a city girl forever. We did spend summers out on our res in Wisconsin, but being in the city <laugh> my mother's family is Mexican Catholic. So we went to Catholic school and I always say that my parents gave me a really good balance of like living in two worlds or multiple worlds. You know, Monday through Friday, we were like, <laugh> in school, you know, Catholic school live in that city life. But mostly every Friday we were packing up our van and hitting the road and going to like the nearest Powow or the furthest pow <laugh>. We traveled all over the place, but as I've grown and learned and just experienced different things in my life, I've come to realize that being an urban native, you live in multiple worlds and you have to speak multiple languages and you don't always really know where you fit in. Sometimes you have to be, you have to be a chameleon <laugh> if you wanna interact and be a part of community, you kind of have to like, learn how to blend in and learn how to yeah. Be a chameleon. <laugh> Speaker 3 00:05:04 Were there many opportunities to practice culture or traditional food ways in the city Speaker 4 00:05:10 Back then? Like, and this is something that I've had to kind of deal with. Like, I think I took a lot of stuff for granted <laugh> and I do remember going to feast and community gatherings, and there was always corn soup where there was always fried or there was, you know, those taste, those familiar, different tastes. And I think you and I have experienced this together where we've gone to indigenous food summits or things like that. And we're, we're having these meals that these shifts prepared and like this like taste comes back to you mm-hmm <affirmative> and I'm like, oh, I remember I remember drinking chaga tea. I remember this flavor or this smell from my childhood. So there was definitely food ways happening, especially like we've always have uncles that were hunters and fishers, so that kind of stuff was happening. But like in our family, like we weren't doing a lot of that. Speaker 3 00:06:03 Mm-hmm <affirmative>. So what brought you to doing this cultural food work? Then what first brought you? I should say, Speaker 4 00:06:10 Well, what first brought me and I wanna take it all the way back is I have two children're, 12 and 14 now. And when I had my daughter, there was like no thought in my mind that I would breastfeed her. And when we talk about food sovereignty, like we have to talk about breastfeeding. First. We have to talk about that. That's our first food and having that realization and like even being able to be a breastfeeding educator, sparked something within me, for sure. And you know, my work at the agency in Detroit doing community work and advocating for folks just like me, that really set the set, my trail, a blaze. And anytime I was able to connect with anything that was food related, I was on it. I remember telling a supervisor back then that just wanna grow in the garden. And she always made sure that I had opportunities to be out in the garden and helping other programs and things like that. So I owe it to folks like you and other of our friends that are doing this work that have really like, supported that vision for myself before I knew I had that, that passion. Speaker 3 00:07:16 Yeah. I always love when you share that about how your role as a mother and breastfeeding was your entry point to food sovereignty work because our first foods are so important to this work, but it's also, I feel like at least at this point, one of the least talked about yeah, but it's, you know, it's so critical. And so kind of at that point, I mean, you know, this story, but for folks listening, that's when we met and began working together, the agency that you reference as the native health clinic that we both worked at. And over several years, we worked in partnership with community members to build a food sovereignty program called sacred roots, which aimed at creating spaces and opportunities for Detroit's native community to both practice and preserve their traditional food ways in that urban landscape. And we did this through hosting gardening workshops and cooking classes, focusing on our great lakes foods, starting a small seed library and hosting a variety of traditional skills workshops and seasonal feast with the community. Since then, we've both moved into new spaces and roles within the food sovereignty movement. But the program that we started continues on, we've both seen the seeds that we sewed in the community continue to grow, which is something we've spoken about. That brings us so much joy. Speaker 4 00:08:44 Amazing. <laugh> Speaker 3 00:08:46 I was wondering if you could give some examples of how either you or other community members are continuing to revitalize and practice traditional food ways in the city. Speaker 4 00:08:57 Yeah. So I think about all of that work that you just spoke about. Often I moved out of the city about three years ago, right before the pandemic started. And <laugh>, I still keep in touch with all of the folks that were in that group that was all learning together and all growing together and building something that, that was so important to us. And in that time, all of them created their own gardens and really stepped into their own path about reconnecting and revitalizing. What's true in their heart. And I love watching it. One of our dear sisters Kirby is, you know, <laugh> phenomenal chef phenomenal farmer, really doing great work in the city, all of the individual folks that are growing together, but also still strengthening that bond that we help create. And I think it's just so beautiful when we talk about food sovereignty. Speaker 4 00:09:52 That's what that looks like all of us, like in our spaces, doing that work and carrying on that knowledge, right? One of the main things that's happening right now, we've learned like through the seasons, everything changes and we're heading into spring and it's maple tapping season. It started to happen downstate. It's definitely starting to happen up here. Now you can tell yesterday was super warm where everybody was like, go tap them trees <laugh> you better go check it's time to start doing that. So it's, you know, maple season, I've noticed a lot of us folks like grabbing onto that part, really taking ownership in whatever way you can commune with those trees, whether it's in your backyard, it's a couple, or you're going out into a park and <laugh> tapping 80 trees. Speaker 3 00:10:39 <laugh> yeah. I mean, five, eight years ago, we might have heard of, you know, one small group of people doing that, like tapping the trees, but it's really, it seems like there are multiple small groups doing that now, like throughout the area, which is really something beautiful to see people, both carrying on that practice, but also that responsibility and care for our relatives, the maple trees. I'm gonna come back to the maple tapping in just a second, but what are some of the challenges of doing this important food work in the city? Oh, I know, I know we could talk a lot about this with our, the years that we've worked together, but sure. What are some of the things you would like to share with folks? Like when you think about the unique experience of doing this work in an urban setting, what are some of the challenges? Speaker 4 00:11:37 Some of us have been so far removed from it and can't even wrap our minds around what that looks like. And I think that there's definitely some fear that comes along with when you hear food sovereignty or what does that even look like? And I think that's some of the work that you and I were doing is getting folks comfortable with this, what it looks like, and that it's not, <laugh>, it's not, you know, unattainable. Right. I think that is a huge challenge, especially when you're trying to get folks to eat healthy, <laugh> living in a food system that doesn't really care. <laugh> about our health. You know, it's a capitalistic food system. I think there are lots of systems that we have to navigate that don't speak the language that we're speaking. Right. That's a huge, huge, huge, huge challenge. Speaker 3 00:12:29 Could you say a little bit more about what you mean by speaking the same language? Speaker 4 00:12:34 Sure. <laugh> you know, what I, what I mean is the memory that comes to <laugh> the memory that comes to mind is we spend all this time. And when I say we, I literally mean you and me <laugh> we spend all this time educating ourselves and reconnecting to the land and what this means, and really like deepening that relationship. But then when we, we know what we want, how we wanna deliver that to the community. And oftentimes it's hard to articulate that, or even explain that to a larger system that doesn't know what it means to like do this spiritual work and connect spiritual work with food work. <laugh> yeah. I think, I think I'll say it I'll, I'll leave it there. <laugh> Speaker 3 00:13:20 I can say Speaker 4 00:13:21 So much more. Speaker 3 00:13:22 That makes complete sense. It is coming from very different perspectives and worldviews, and those worldviews influence how you relate to the work itself and all of the relations that we're in this work with both our human relatives and our non-human relatives, Speaker 4 00:13:46 You know, I've sat and like shed tears, talking about this stuff and experiencing things. It's gonna be hard for us to even like, explain how this happened. And I was recently listening to the conversation you had with Shelly and how she was talking about listening to Rowan. I'm like we were there, we were listening to that <laugh> we were right in that, in that room, listening to the same thing she was listening to. And that, to me, like the reach that, that work has had and the impact that it has had on all of us is, is amazing. Speaker 3 00:14:19 Certainly is. So recently there was an incident involving the Detroit police department where they interrupted a sugar, Bush, or maple syrup tapping gathering. Before we talk about that specific incident, could you provide us with a bit more context of what the gathering was for and what's involved in sugar, Bush? Speaker 4 00:14:42 Yeah. So sugar Bush is just a term that I've grown up with that I've learned. And that's just what we call <laugh> the space that we are going into, you know, to set up camp in order to tap, boil, and process that maple SAP into stir or sugar, sugar, Bush can also be the season that we are doing the maple tapping and in Michigan that can vary from February all the way to April, depending on what's happening in weather. Speaker 3 00:15:12 Yeah. Could you speak a little bit more about like, what is happening in the weather? What are the signs for those that haven't been involved with sugar Bush before what's happening out in the world to let you know that it's time, Speaker 4 00:15:25 The Frid cold that we've been having, that we've all been complaining about. Like, we want that to happen. <laugh> we want things to freeze for a period of time. And then what we're looking for is freezing at night and then warming up. So above freezing in the daytime and that in downstate has happened is happening now. And then in Northern Michigan, it's starting to happen. I think, you know, mid-Michigan, it's climbing, we're usually like two weeks apart from each other. And with climate change that also affects these seasons as well. But you want things to freeze at night and you want it to warm up during the day. So that that SAP flows and when you're tapping that tree, the telltale sign is that <laugh>, as soon as you, soon as you pull that tap out or pull that screw out, that SAP is flowing, you know, it's ready to go <laugh>. So then that period of time, usually, I don't know. It all depends on the weather. We tapped in Detroit two weeks. Now it's been two weeks and I think they've collected over 250 gallons already. And what we're looking for, it started to warm up down there. You don't want your SAP to spoil. And then once the buds on the trees start popping, then your season is over. Cuz that'll change the flavor. Speaker 3 00:16:43 Yeah. The sugar content. So how much SAP do you really need? That's a lot. Speaker 4 00:16:50 That is a lot. But from what I've learned is that 50 gallons of SAP equals one gallon of syrup. Wow. Speaker 4 00:16:59 So <laugh> depending on how much syrup you like or how much sugar you like that depends on how many trees you wanna tap, usually for a family supply for a year. So family like four to six people, you wanna tap at least 40 trees and that should give you a, a decent amount. It all just depends on your season and, and your manpower too. Like, you know, wanna go out and tap a hundred trees. And then it's only you hauling all that. <laugh> hauling all that syrup, which is why we call it sugar Bush in the season. Like this is the time for families to go out into the Bush and set up camp and they would be there for a full month or two months doing that work. Like that's, that's what we did. Speaker 3 00:17:42 Yeah. It's an example of one of those really labor intensive food ways where community would come together at certain times of year to engage in that work together and then to share the community wealth, so to speak. Speaker 4 00:17:57 I don't know if you've got to try that sugar and syrup that they made last year, but it was delicious. Speaker 3 00:18:03 It was Speaker 4 00:18:04 <laugh> I know about maple sugar. I've spent my last three years making <laugh> maybe maple sugar and that sugar was delicious. <laugh> Speaker 3 00:18:13 So is there anything else? So you talked about like the harvesting and then what's the next step, I guess, in the process after you harvest Speaker 4 00:18:20 Collecting buckets, pretty much every day, gathering it into a tank or whatever collection system you're working in. And then you start to boil, you want a good evaporator or equipment to burn that water content down at that point it's syrup, or you can take it all the way down to sugar. Sugar will last longer. It's got the longest shelf life. And traditionally that's what our people did was they made sugar. I think it was an accident <laugh> I think they cooked it too long and it turned into sugar <laugh> but they learned that it's easy to travel with. It has a longer shelf life. You're not carrying around gallons of, of syrup on your G on, but Speaker 3 00:19:07 So I guess set the stage for us this, you know, moving into talking about what happened a couple weeks ago in Detroit set the scene, what was happening, what was the community doing? And, and then what transpired with the police? Speaker 4 00:19:22 We were just some peaceful Indians hanging out in the Bush, having a fire <laugh> weren't doing nothing wrong. <laugh> for the record. <laugh> but no. So, you know, we knew this season was coming up. We had been talking about this for weeks and there is a planning committee that's working together. So we, you know, picked that day. We called in one of our spiritual leaders. Jefferson Belu the other thing that I don't think any of us have realized is that this was the first time that many of us had come together as a community in ceremony, since the pandemic started. It was the first time I had seen quite a few folks. So that was really important to me. We got there about four o'clock. It was daylight out we're in a city park called Rouge park. So if you're familiar with the city, then, you know, <laugh> then you know, the reputation that the park has about that, I do wanna say that the Detroit sugar, Bush project has been going on for about four years, legally three years <laugh> four years was a rogue operation. Speaker 4 00:20:32 But since that inception, the organizers have worked with the city, have worked with the black to land organization, the friends of the Rouge river and the national wildlife Federation, all in support of what we wanted to achieve and ongoing, right? Many of those folks in these organizations and in these city departments overlap. So we gather together, you know, anytime that a harvest is happening or a season is beginning there's ceremony that happens, I won't speak to specifics or anything like that. Of course, in the beginning of things we wanna set good intentions. We wanna give thanks to these gifts that we're asking for to bless the work that we're doing and bless ourselves and, you know, center us and, and start things in a good way. That's what we intended to do on that Friday evening, we had a sacred fire, lit Jefferson was giving his teachings. He had his bundle out. There was about 25 of us that were gathered there. It was a really beautiful evening and many of us are city kids. And we're kind of joking and remarking on the fact that, Hey, it's kind of funny being in this park at this time of the day. <laugh>, you know, this is not a, not a normal thing for us. Right. Speaker 3 00:21:47 Can you speak just before you go on, for those that aren't familiar with Rouge park, like why would it be unusual to be there at that time of day in that particular park? Speaker 4 00:21:58 So, you know, like every urban center, <laugh>, there's lots of different activities happening. Some reputations are true about Detroit and some are not <laugh>. I love my city. Let me just tell you that <laugh> but you know, Rouge park is, and most city parks, especially Rouge park is a very large park in the city is known for, you know, unsavory behavior. Sometimes there is police presence. I was always taught. You don't wanna go hanging out over there. <laugh> my dad was pretty explicit about that. <laugh> don't catch yourself in these areas. Always steer clear. Don't go looking for trouble. That kind of stuff. In that context, you know, we're out here, we have permission. We've been doing this for three years. <laugh> we all felt really comfortable in those spaces. And we were in a large group. Now, if it was just like one or two of us, probably wouldn't be a good idea to be out there in the middle of the night, having a Bon fire. Speaker 4 00:22:57 But, you know, we were heading towards the feast time. Actually, I think at that moment, we had broke for a feast and we noticed police lights at the road. And I thought, maybe someone's just getting pulled over because that <laugh>, that is also not unusual. When you see cars parked on the side of the road, specifically in that part, the assumption is that they're doing something they shouldn't be doing. So we kind of laughed it off like, oh, somebody got pulled over. It's not for us. Then another, another car arrived and then another car arrived. And then another car arrived at the end, there was seven cop cars and a helicopter. One of the organizers, a couple of them headed toward the road were only about maybe like a hundred feet, 200 feet from the road to the spot that were in. So it's not super far, you can see everything. Speaker 4 00:23:48 So they went to the road to check out what was happening. I guess they were in response to some calls that they saw fire. We were still down at the fire when half of them went to the road <laugh> and we noticed the helicopter with their spotlight on us. And they stayed on us for, for quite some time. At that point I was between the road and the Bush, and there was four to six officers coming down to where we were at now. They were not regularly dressed like normal police uniforms. They were dressed in their like tactical special ops gear, different color, uniform, way, more protection on. And they, at that point I was informed that they're making us leave. They made us put out the fire and we have to leave. And then somebody else told us, yeah, they said that if we don't leave, we're getting arrested. Speaker 4 00:24:43 So there was a lot of like miscommunication happening from the enforcement at the road and enforcement at the fire. The folks at the fire did not wanna hear anything from us at all. They wanted us to be quiet and comply to what they were telling us to do. Pretty threatening, pretty forceful. Nobody was injured or harmed physically <laugh>, but it was very, very traumatizing. There were children at the fire. There were elders at the fire. And again, we maintain like we have permits, we're allowed to do this. You know, we did follow protocol. They told us that we weren't supposed to be there after dark. But the actual city ordinance in that park is 10:00 PM that the park closes. I think it went on for a good 45 minutes. It seemed to, it seemed to drag on for a while. At the end one, Sergeant stayed and took our complaints, like our counts of it all. So she said she would be making a police report also on our behalf. And then the next morning, one of the participants also made a police report to that specific precinct. Speaker 3 00:25:52 You said that the next day that another report was made or another complaint, what has been the community response since then? Speaker 4 00:26:00 So that evening when all of it was happening, there were a couple of participants put their cameras on. I think somebody went live and somebody else went onto tic TikTok. And that TAC video was shared all over the place. They, I is the immediate response was like outrage <laugh> and that's, it continues to be the response that why would this be happening? This response, this police response was extreme <laugh> and pretty unnecessary, especially because we had been there since during the day, they had at least four hours to come out <laugh> and say, Hey, what's going on? What's happening. But 14 cops in a helicopter. I, again, like, I don't, I don't understand. Like I still want somebody to make that make sense for me, <laugh> the support for sure has been so overwhelming. And again, like comforting, like I'm glad that people are upset for us. Speaker 4 00:26:54 And that support, the actual work that we're doing is we had to go back out there the next day and pick up where we left off. Like there was a sacred fire that wasn't put out properly. We needed to close things in a good way. We still had to tap trees <laugh> we still had, we still had a lot of work to do. We still had that whole weekend plan for us. But yeah, the support has been amazing. You know, don't read the comment section of any, any <laugh> any report that's been out or any, you know, article that's been published in like mainstream media, but there's gonna be folks that don't understand why we just can't follow the rules and <laugh>, you know, misunderstand us always. But that speaks to what we go through as native people, whether you're in a city or out in a city, we're exercising our rights, our treaty rights, our rights as like native people <laugh>. And at the end of the day, we're just trying to make syrup. Like we're not <laugh>, we're not hurting anybody. I think that argument can't be made that we're actually helping these trees and helping this land and helping our people again, we're gonna keep moving forward. We're gonna keep doing what we're doing, but they haven't seen the last of us. We're gonna keep doing it. Speaker 3 00:28:08 <laugh>. When you think about the relationship with the city and the police department moving forward, what would be your hope? Speaker 4 00:28:15 Yes. This has been a discussion that's been ongoing with us and the bare minimum <laugh> I appreciate that there is an apology put out, but it was also a really great example of what gas lighting looks like. <laugh> like, oh, I'm sorry, but you shouldn't have done this type of thing. And again, put the blame on us. I think at the bare minimum cultural competency training and awareness needs to happen across the city's. But specifically with these police departments, specifically with those officers that were down at that fire that could have been handled so much differently, you would never think to go into a church or a Mo or any other religious dwelling, but because natives are outside around a fire now <laugh> also the comments been made that they didn't know what we were doing. Cause we weren't in our cultural gear. I, I, I don't really know what <laugh> Speaker 3 00:29:18 Folks can't see me right now, but I'm shaking my head. Speaker 4 00:29:22 I mean, I don't know what they expect us to look like. Like we left our breach class at home and didn't wear our head dresses. Like I, I don't know, but a few of the women had ribbon skirts on which we all know in our culture, especially right now. That is a very significant piece of clothing that is worn that signifies that we are <laugh>. We are doing something, you know, connected to our culture. Again, cultural awareness. We want those officers to be reprimanded. We want better communication between these city departments and these organizations, specifically PAC organizations that are working <laugh> with the land and out in these, these spaces that in and of itself is like a revolutionary act and a act of resistance and resilience that brown people <laugh> can be out in nature. I don't think most people really understand what that means for us to be out, which is why organizations like black to land exist because they need that connection as well. And to do it and to be out and experience the beauty of nature and not be persecuted or <laugh> chastis or overly policed. Right. Speaker 3 00:30:39 And there's so many beautiful examples of that revolutionary work happening in Detroit, but there are still so many challenges we see with this example. Speaker 4 00:30:49 I mean, it's like, I'm saying, you know, we have to operate in systems that don't understand us and that don't want us there. So <laugh> what do we do? You know? Yeah. It's, it's a challenge. It's a struggle. Speaker 3 00:31:02 So thinking about that, what keeps you going when you face resistance like this, what gives you strength? Speaker 4 00:31:09 We've been taught that we have to think about the next step in generations. And what I keep saying is that I don't want my great, great grandchildren to have to revive these ways to have to say, oh, I think my great grandma did this or <laugh> and have to keep reconnecting. And I think as a mother, like those seeds, my <laugh> I'm already gonna be somebody's ancestor. And those seeds are gonna be planted in the next few generations. I just really want a better world for our kids and their kids and their kids. I wanna be a good ancestor. I want those kids to look back and say, my great, great grandma. This is what she did. And this is why I'm doing what I'm doing. And you know, we're living in such a scary time that we don't know what that feature looks like, but we can't let that like darkness like consume us and just roll over. I mean, it's all this work, especially, you know, in these last couple years what's happening in native country, all over turtle island. There is a lot of us are waking up. A lot of us are finding our strengths to keep fighting. Speaker 4 00:32:22 I know I'm not alone. <laugh> doing this work. And that keeps me going. Speaker 3 00:32:28 Yeah, definitely true for me too. So why is food sovereignty important to you personally? I know that's a huge question, but what are your thoughts? Speaker 4 00:32:38 Yeah, that's a good question. And it's, it's loaded for sure. <laugh> this work has given me such purpose and such an understanding of who I am as an bake way. All of us, you know, go through a period of time that we're lost connecting with our seed relatives and communing with the land and connecting with folks that are doing the same work and that are driven by this passion as well. Like one of my favorite things is being in community, whether we're cooking corn or tapping trees, or just sitting by a fire or whatever it is like, what happens in that community is so special. And for me, that's why I love this work so much. It's not about the destination. It's about who you're doing it with. That's it for me, I think that is a huge part of success in whatever you're doing is like, you have to love what you're doing, but you have to also love like who you're doing that with. And then that space that you're creating. I don't think a lot of people really understand that or make a space for that. You have to have that mutual respect with folks that you're doing this stuff with. Speaker 3 00:33:57 Certainly. And that's a perfect segue to my next question, cuz I wanna know who are you carrying with you while you do this work? I know for many of us it's multiple folks, but are there folks that really stick out in your mind that are in your mind and heart frequently when you're doing this, Speaker 4 00:34:17 I think you're gonna make me cry. I'm not gonna do it. <laugh>, you know, always my kids and my mother and my father are always in my heart. Always for me, sisterhood is such, such a strong medicine for me and I, I carry my sisters with me all the time. You and I have connected in so many ways and have grown together. I carry you in my heart and I carry our other sister, Sarah in my heart and our sister, Stephanie in our heart. You and I joke about, and I think most people that know us know that we talk about the three sisters a lot and that philosophy and how that philosophy drives the work that we do and how we view community and that interdependence and that relationship with those seeds in that garden and how that can be translated to <laugh> to our beings and to our relationships with each other and how interconnected and how interdependent we can be. We can all thrive alone <laugh> but we can thrive better when we're together. And that's always something that, that I hold all the time. Speaker 3 00:35:29 Yeah. That sisterhood piece is definitely something that I carry very close to my heart as well. Right. Last question. I'm inviting you to a feast honoring all of our relations. What are you bringing and why Speaker 4 00:35:45 I am bringing tamales? So you know that I've been working on my recipe for a long time and my relationship with making tamales, my grandmother, my Abu, she showed me how. And I was really scared for a while to like bring that out. And I don't want the judgment cuz she'll come back and judge me. <laugh> I'm just kidding. She won't. But I have made the Myles before and I'm like, I'll make them vegan so everybody can eat 'em. But for this gathering, I'll make the good Tamas with the LA <laugh> and Speaker 3 00:36:19 What, what type of filling? Speaker 4 00:36:21 So I made bison Tamas recently this past summer, and those were phenomenal. <laugh> and I don't know if you ever get this, but when you're cooking all day and it's time to eat, you don't want to eat because you've been cooking that food all day. That's usually what happens to me. But at the end of that day, I sat down and had some of those I'm like, oh man, this LA <laugh>, this is it. This is it. This is it right here. So yeah. Tamales is what I'm bringing <laugh> Speaker 3 00:36:57 Well, me, we thank you for generously sharing your time, experiences and knowledge with us Rosebud. Speaker 4 00:37:06 Yeah. Thank you for having me. It's such an honor. <laugh> thank you. Neat. Rich. Speaker 3 00:37:19 The spirit plate podcast is an honoring of all the indigenous communities across turtle island, who working to preserve and revitalize their ancestral food base in this space. We'll talk about indigenous food base as means of resistance, resilience, and revitalization. Thank you for listening to part two of self-determination episode 10 of spirit plate. We hope you enjoyed it. CHII which a big thank you to Rosebud bear Schneider. This is our last episode for season one. Together with our honored guests, we have discussed some of the social political and historical reasons why the indigenous food sovereignty movement is necessary as a whole. They've given us a critical understanding of the journey that led us here today. We'll be back soon with season two, featuring new guests and powerful stories from today's indigenous food movement together, we will dive deeper into the work indigenous communities are doing to preserve and revitalize their place based cultures and the role their food ways are playing in this important life sustaining work. Speaker 3 00:38:26 If you would like to learn which indigenous communities Homeland you reside upon, visit native That is N a T I V E L a N Spirit plate is part of the Wetstone radio collective. Thank you to the spirit plate team producer and music composer, KA yang, audio editors, KA Salinas and Bethany sands researcher, Giselle Kennedy, Lord and intern indigo Clarkson. I'd also like to thank Wetstone founder, Steven Satterfield, Wetstone radio collective executive producer, Celine glassier sound engineer and music designer, max cuddle, Chuck associate producer, Quint LIBO production assistant, Melissa U tink and sound intern Simon lavender. 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